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Post  SilentMirage on Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:35 pm

Since the FMV thread contains the EVA sound tryouts, I think it's best we have a separate thread.

megaupload.com 134VU1IP (GDI EVA, 1st is the original TT version, 2nd is the altered)
megaupload.com QW0H3WIL (Nod EVA, another tryout but with a CABAL tone)

What do you all say, guys? I call them an epic job well done, even more job well done than EA's C&C4 EVA voice casting! I'll pay 5 times more than EA for this kind of task. bounce
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Post  Spider_Pig_Rocks on Thu May 06, 2010 4:14 pm

sry for coming too late, yeah, its cool and i think we should have them do it for us
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Post  SilentMirage on Thu May 06, 2010 10:54 pm

That's alright, the audio person already got it. All they need now is to get onto the voice actors and read the basic scripts. Hopefully the voice actors they hire will come back so they can also voice the EVA sounds for the in-game missions, not just simple "Harvester Under Attack", "Low Power", etc..

As for Nod, it's obvious we want CABAL back, but instead is as LEGION.
For GDI, hopefully he'll create both a TD & TS version. The TD version has been demonstrated, it's now the TS' turn to find out which one's better, it's all for the fans' votes.
For Scrin, we'll look into that later on. We just don't know how to remix on this one since C&C3's Scrin's EVA is already voiced right.
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Post  Raiden4900 on Sat May 08, 2010 6:10 am

Thanks for the post. Very Happy

Currently our work on the new EVA's is on hold. we have looked further into the work of the FMV's but thats in the other thread.

Anyway. I got someone im my sight for the TS version. But im still unsure about LEGION's voice. Im having a hard time finding anyone with a appropriate voice for him. At least the actor thats gonna go TD is secured. Now I just gotta do some wirering and we're good to go.
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Post  SilentMirage on Sat May 08, 2010 9:53 am

The voice for LEGION is a difficult one since we don't hear an original voice of him other than EA's crappy C&C4 Nod EVA who called him as "LEGION" (As according to the "Ask a Developer" thread in the official forums). I'm not sure what to think of, think LEGION is like CABAL 2.0 .

As for GDI's EVA, the TD is secured, but let's not forget to give a TS version a try. You may never know which one will sound better and we the fans will pick which one will sound best, it's not the classic version that counts, it's the quality & which one will be epic for the C&C finale.
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Post  Raiden4900 on Sat May 08, 2010 10:00 am

SilentMirage wrote:The voice for LEGION is a difficult one since we don't hear an original voice of him other than EA's crappy C&C4 Nod EVA who called him as "LEGION" (As according to the "Ask a Developer" thread in the official forums). I'm not sure what to think of, think LEGION is like CABAL 2.0 .

As for GDI's EVA, the TD is secured, but let's not forget to give a TS version a try. You may never know which one will sound better and we the fans will pick which one will sound best, it's not the classic version that counts, it's the quality & which one will be epic for the C&C finale.

Well, you forget that the TD version is just a remix of TT's. No of our actors have done that yet.
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Post  SilentMirage on Sat May 08, 2010 10:18 am

I didn't forget, it's just I wish you could remix a TS version as well. But anyway, we can forget about that too. We hire another EVA voice actor first, THEN only we remix it to have both TD & TS version. Once we got 2 versions, we the fans will judge which one's the best via a poll.
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Post  Raiden4900 on Sat May 08, 2010 10:27 am

SilentMirage wrote:I didn't forget, it's just I wish you could remix a TS version as well. But anyway, we can forget about that too. We hire another EVA voice actor first, THEN only we remix it to have both TD & TS version. Once we got 2 versions, we the fans will judge which one's the best via a poll.

Oh, sorry. Misunderstood that. I can try make one. Give me an hour.
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Post  SilentMirage on Sat May 08, 2010 10:35 am

Wow, you want to give it a try. Sure.

But as a professional, I keep the production steps or history, in that way you'll remember how it's done. For instance :

Step 1 : Reduce noise
Step 2 : Increase pitch tone
Step 3 : Increase reverb a little bit

etc..

I hope you remember how to mix the TD one, if you don't record or write down the steps, you'll forget and force to remix it all over again, even with a new voice actor.
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Post  Raiden4900 on Sat May 08, 2010 10:38 am

SilentMirage wrote:Wow, you want to give it a try. Sure.

But as a professional, I keep the production steps or history, in that way you'll remember how it's done. For instance :

Step 1 : Reduce noise
Step 2 : Increase pitch tone
Step 3 : Increase reverb a little bit

etc..

I hope you remember how to mix the TD one, if you don't record or write down the steps, you'll forget and force to remix it all over again, even with a new voice actor.

Already doing that Wink Only trouble I have is the noise reduction.
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Post  SilentMirage on Sat May 08, 2010 10:52 am

Just now the step 1 to 3 are actually examples. I also did something like that before when I was modifying Counter Strike sprites by only just changing their color from the default orange to match the Condition Zero's green. Without the steps, I'll lose control of my coloring by adjusting Photoshop's "Hue & Saturation", not to mention it has specific numbers of how green you want it to be and so on.

Anyway, luckily you did it. As for the noise reduction, well, try to get a better mike which isolates ambient noises? I do study audio and I know which one to choose from.
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Post  Raiden4900 on Sat May 08, 2010 10:55 am

SilentMirage wrote:

Anyway, luckily you did it. As for the noise reduction, well, try to get a better mike which isolates ambient noises? I do study audio and I know which one to choose from.

God, I know how frustrating that is.

I figured out its the sampler's ports that makes the damn noise. I gonna see if the mics on the camera's is any better.
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Post  SilentMirage on Sat May 08, 2010 11:00 am

The built-in mikes inside the camera is not always 100% reliable, even for a high-end Hollywood version, usually they record videos & audios separately. As for the mikes, I'm thinking cardiods or hypercardiods (Shotgun mike). When it comes to noise, audio recorders put cloth or noise absorbers around the mikes to keep those unwanted noises away.

If you watch a lot of behind the scene videos, you know how they did it. Wink
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Post  Raiden4900 on Sat May 08, 2010 11:03 am

SilentMirage wrote:The built-in mikes inside the camera is not always 100% reliable, even for a high-end Hollywood version, usually they record videos & audios separately. As for the mikes, I'm thinking cardiods or hypercardiods (Shotgun mike). When it comes to noise, audio recorders put cloth or noise absorbers around the mikes to keep those unwanted noises away.

If you watch a lot of behind the scene videos, you know how they did it. Wink

Wauw. I did'nt know that. About behind the scenes videos, I always watch how they do with the light and camera's. Never thought of mics being that importen.
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Post  SilentMirage on Sat May 08, 2010 11:14 am

Lighting & the shooting are important, and audio is another. If you watch the Youtube videos, average videos made by average people will usually shoot themselves in the video camera (with built-in mics) and probably just act and then upload the video when finished. That's it, and you'll hear all the noises coming from winds, ambience, etc..

Professionals will need to do more than that, don't forget production phase such as re-recording audios when other noises are interfering during the acting, deinterlacing videos, etc.. Then in post-production such as adding special effects, audio clean-ups (Noise reduction to only have the acting alone), audio remixes (Just like you did with the EVAs), etc.. That's how Hollywood runs, other movies also apply the same thing, pre-production > production > post-production.

BCPT in EALA also do the same thing, they follow what I mentioned. Like Raj & Apoc speaking, you don't hear ambient noises around them, because they taken care of the ambient noises with their properly equipped mics. If they got interference such as the director's handphone ringing, they'll re-shoot, not by muting the video and get Raj to a recording room and speaks again. If they have ambient noises such as the air-conditioner, they might re-shoot again and readjust the mics to make sure the ambient noises are gone.


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Post  Raiden4900 on Sat May 08, 2010 11:16 am

SilentMirage wrote:Lighting & the shooting are important, but audio is another. If you watch the Youtube videos, average videos made by average people will usually shot themselves in the video camera (with built-in mics) and probably just shoot and then upload the video. That's it only.

Professionals will need to do more than that, don't forget production phase such as re-recording audios when other noises are interfering with the acting, deinterlacing, etc.. Then in post-production, adding special effects, audio clean-ups (Noise reduction to only have the acting alone), audio remixes (Just like you did with the EVAs), etc.. That's how Hollywood runs, other movies also apply the same thing, pre-production > production > post-production.

I think I got some new moves now. lol. About the TS version. Im having some trouble. Right now, she sounds like Lisa Simpsons :s
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Post  SilentMirage on Sat May 08, 2010 11:23 am

By the way, I also edited my previous post, do read the other paragraph regarding EALA's BCPT production.

As for the TS version, take your time, mistakes can happen.
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Post  Raiden4900 on Sat May 08, 2010 11:32 am

Re-readed. I get your point. Luckily I can say we have never done any of these mistakes. The way we do it, is very well discribed the same way you discribe the production of BCPT. Only thing that we missed, was the audio. Not that much focus on that part.
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Post  SilentMirage on Sat May 08, 2010 11:39 am

I may not remember your BCPT-DK, sure, you may have the lighting and the shooting correct. But audio also play a key role too, if your audio sounds like there's echos in them, then you have to tone it down to sound more like ourselves when we talk with each other. A camera doesn't always record like what we see from our naked eyes. Same case for mics too, they can't record everything just like we said, our tones sometimes don't sound the same when you play it in computers.

Imagine if BCPT is recorded with an ordinary mic, the final result in the video will be is that Raj's voice will echo around the area. I've been through like this before when I was shooting my own green screen news video for a college assignment, my audio dialogue gets echoed (Along with ambient noises) when the camera is only using a regular mic. If I were working in a news studio as a news broadcaster, with a properly equipped mic, my dialogue doesn't echos.
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Post  Raiden4900 on Sat May 08, 2010 11:53 am

Yeah. I can imagine that. Besides, there is a purpose for thoes small wearable microphones. Shotgun mics for getting everything in it. And then there are thoes. eh.. Can't remember the name. You have to point at persons to hear them in the mic.

Anyway. Heres my guess for TS EVA.

I gave her more bass, tone down the speed and added a small dampener on her voice.
megaupload.com KOTKSRL7

I recall TSGDI EVA to be with a little echo and some bass to her voice. It was like BUilding-ing. CONstruction COMplete-te. BAse UNder ATtack-ck

EDIT: hmm.. When she says "Commander" If feel I got it just right. The rest is.. flughting?
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Post  SilentMirage on Sat May 08, 2010 12:09 pm

The file is temporarily unavailable, I'm not sure if it's still uploading, but try another site like Sendspace. Megaupload is meant to be non-expiring but mostly meant for huge files, not small ones like audio.

As for the voice actor's mic, I'm not sure, one day I'll look into it. My guess could be a shotgun too, or probably another type like a crystal or condenser mic.
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Post  Raiden4900 on Sat May 08, 2010 12:15 pm

Ill do that the next time then.

As for the mics.. I have really no idea. Lol

EDIT: works now.
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Post  SilentMirage on Sat May 08, 2010 12:19 pm

Err, to be honest, Megaupload still gave me the same result. I can't download it. Upload it in Sendspace please. Wink

As for the mics, you may not have the idea, but as video production goes, it's crucial that you need the correct mics to use too. Don't worry, do some research of which one to buy & use, and of course, as long as your budget allows. After all, don't go for those cheap or regular mics, they won't perform well like the real Hollywood people did.
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Post  Raiden4900 on Sat May 08, 2010 12:25 pm

sendspace.com izqu8f

There ya go. No more whinnin. lol.

As for mics. I said I would use them as in a movie set, and then my mate at HLTV told that thoes on the cameras would do it, but I could always ask for thoes small ones you use in newscasting.
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Post  SilentMirage on Sat May 08, 2010 12:29 pm

The small mics I'm not sure can record at a distance, you need to ask from big name video studios first. Voice acting mics are usually best at close range, even at a small distance can change in terms of its quality, after all, it's analogue.

Anyway, do check with them before you begin any shooting. Wink If you have the mics, do give them a test run such as a draft video, portray yourself and imagine you're the Nod commanding officer talking to the player. Just a short 10 seconds will do, once you take the video to Premiere or any other video softwares, we'll hear how the audio sounds like. After all, a draft is like a test run. Wink
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